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3:05, ESPN 1530
6:05, Inside Pitch, 700 WLW
Andy Dalton
Skip Schumaker, Reds INF/OF, fantasy football challenge, info HERE
Rocky Boiman, ESPN1530/700 WLW Bengals analyst, 4:30
Pete Prisco,, 5:05
Peter King, The MMQB , 5:20
Ross Tucker, former NFL player, Sporting News, Sirius XM
Andy Dalton

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Poll: After sleeping on it, do you like Andy Dalton's 6 year, $96M deal?
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Reds notes and stats from a 7-1 loss to Cleveland Monday night.

Price upset with Reds 'lack of fight'
"What was disappointing and unacceptable tonight was the fact that we didn't have our head in the game at all," said Price, whose team fell to 5-12 since the All-Star break. "Especially those first five innings. We had two guys that forgot how many outs there were, we had a pitcher that didn't cover first base on a ground ball to the right side. We had five baserunners in the first three innings.
"That's just not the way we play. We haven't played that way all year. That lack of fight and lethargy, that's just unacceptable type of play right there."

CANTON, OH - AUGUST 4: Starting pitcher Alfredo Simon #31 of the Cincinnati Reds looks on as Lonnie Chisenhall #8 of the Cleveland Indians rounds the bases on his three-run home run during the fourth inning against the Cincinnati Reds at Progressive Field on August 4, 2014 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images)

More Reds notes

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Simon says....Jack Armstrong?

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I've received more than a few Tweets and emails about Alfredo Simon's 2nd half fade reminding fans of former Reds pitcher Jack Armstrong. I decided to look up the numbers. Clearly the pitchers are/were at different stages of their career, but the numbers are kind of eerie. 25-year old Jack Armstrong started the 1990 All-Star game. 33-year old Alfredo Simon made the 2014 All-Star team.
1st half: 12-3, 2.70 ERA, 116.2 innings
2nd half:  0-4, 5.06 ERA,   21.2 innings
1st half:  11-3, 2.28 ERA, 114.2 innings
2nd half:  1-6,  5.96 ERA,   51.2 innings
Armstrong notes:
Armstrong was a 1st round pick of the Reds in 1987 (18th overall).
He pitched two scoreless innings as a starter in the 1990 All-Star game.
Jeff Brantley (SF) would take the loss in the NL's 2-0 loss to the AL.
While he faded in the 2nd half of the '90 season, he came up big in Game 2 of the World Series vs Oakland. He pitched three shutout innings in relief of Danny Jackson and Scott Scudder, as the Reds rallied to win 5-4 in 10 innings (Billy Bates!). Armstrong was 11-3 at the '90 All-Star break, but would go 23-52 the rest of his ML career. He also pitched for the Indians (6-15), Marlins (9-17) and Rangers (0-1).
He was out of ML in 1994, at age 29. Career stats HERE.


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The Ohio Cup
George Grande wondered about the best Reds-Indians game in the all-time series. This would be it: July of 2006. 
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My reaction: I can live with this deal
For the past three years I've been labeled an Andy Dalton apologist. Yet, I spent the offseason calling for the Bengals to roll the dice with Andy Dalton, to not extend him, but rather make him earn his contract extension. I maintained during the offseason that I had no problem giving Dalton an extension, if he earned it during the 2014 season. I said if the downside to waiting was Dalton leading the Bengals to a Super Bowl win, and cashing in on major bucks, that I would happily deal with that. But having said that, I'll say this: I can live with this deal.
Forget $115 million, forget $96 million, think $25 million, as in a guaranteed $25 million over the next two seasons. What's wrong with that?
Dalton gets $18M in year one of the deal and $7M in year two, for a total of $25M.
That's $25M for two years, for a guy that's won 30 games in his first three seasons, thrown 80 TD's, passed for over 3,000 yards each season and been to the playoffs all three seasons. Say what you want about Dalton, but don't tell me he's terrible. Does he need to improve in the postseason?, damn straight.
The Bengals leased Dalton, like a car, for two years. Then it becomes a matter of paying Dalton as he goes. If they like what they see, they keep paying. If they don't like what they see, they move on.
The Bengals keep cap flexibility, get two years of more fact finding about Dalton, and load up the deal with the same types of incentives that fans were hollering for. If Andy wins in the postseason, he gets paid. The more he wins in the postseason, the more he gets paid. Fine by me. Win a Super Bowl and Dalton gets an extra $1.5M a year added to each year left on the deal. What's the problem?
I wish fans would try as hard to understand the terms of the deal as they are at not liking the deal. Too many fans see six years, $96M and think this means the Bengals are ok with losing in the postseason. I wish fans would think two years, $25M and realize the QB market/NFL landscape and the fact there is not a viable Plan B at QB.
I realize fans like things black/white and simple. But it can't be "Andy's terrible in the playoffs, he's terrible, get rid of him." I get the concerns over his playoff issues. But there have been multiple playoff issues for this team. I'd offer up Giovani Bernard's fumble, AJ Green's drop, and a defense gashed by ground game, along with Andy's game vs San Diego.
There is something to be said for rolling the dice and making Andy play better and then rewarding him. They could have even gone to the franchise tag after this season, and bought themselves another year to decide. As an agent asked me this offseason, "why are the Bengals going to pay him more, and ask him to do less?". 
Dalton is not a franchise QB. He's not a Top 10 QB. He is probably closer to an average QB, somewhere around 15-to-19th best in the league. The reality is this is the market for an NFL QB. If you have one, you pay him. If you don't have one, good luck.
I'm interested to see what impact Hue Jackson and the shift in offensive philosophy has on Dalton. I know this, no way Dalton should be throwing it an average of 36.6 times per game, like Jay Gruden had him do last season. Dalton threw it 568 times, 8th most in the league. He threw it more than Big Ben, Carson Palmer, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo and Cam Newton. That's insane. This deal was sane. For both sides. Dalton needs to get better. The Bengals need to get better. This deal was a win, win. This is a deal I can live with.

What they are saying about Andy's deal

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Pro Football Talk has more details of deal HERE 
The most important numbers are the numbers fully guaranteed at signing. 
*Coupled with his $986,000 base salary, Dalton will make $18 million in the first year of the deal.
*On the third day of the 2015 league year in March, Dalton earns a $4 million roster bonus. He also has a $3 million non-guaranteed base salary in 2015.  That’s $25 million over two years.
*If in any year he participates in 80-percent of the regular-season snaps and the Bengals get to the divisional round of the playoffs (via wild-card win or bye), he gets another $1 million in each additional year of the deal. 
*If he qualifies at any point for the conference title game (with 80-percent playing time in the regular season), another $500,000 flows into the base value of the deal, for each additional year.  
*If he wins a Super Bowl he won’t be driving off in a Hyundai; Dalton will get another $1.5 million per year for each remaining year of the deal.

Bengals to world: 'Andy's our guy'
Peter King, The MMQB 
CINCINNATI — The outside world has lost faith in Andy Dalton the playoff quarterback, but that’s not the case inside the walls of the Bengals offices at Paul Brown Stadium. And Sunday afternoon, when the quarterback reached a six-year, $115-million deal with the team (“It’s done,” Dalton texted coach Marvin Lewis), the head coach had a sigh of relief instead of a feeling of dread that many Cincinnati fans who don’t trust Dalton had when the news broke today.

King: It's all on Andy.....and Hue

Back up a bit before you bash Dalton's deal
Pete Prisco, CBS Sports 
You saw the contract numbers for Andy Dalton's extension Monday and you laughed. It was probably a loud one, too.
What the hell are the Cincinnati Bengals doing giving Dalton a six-year extension for $115 million, right?
What they are doing is being smart, especially if the contract is structured the right way. 

Dalton deal a blend of timing, market and potential
USA Today
Now that Andy Dalton is suddenly the highest-paid red-headed quarterback in NFL history, the real question that lingers as the numbers are crunched is this: How much would Dalton command if he had a playoff win on his resume?

Dalton's deal sets second-tier QB market 
Much like the 49ers and Seahawks, the Bengals have built a deep and talented roster, in no small part because the starting quarterback barely made a dent against the salary cap.
Now that Dalton is earning $16 million per year and a AJ Green is on deck for a lucrative contract of his own, roster construction will present a stiffer challenge.

Bengals make statement with Dalton deal
Paul Dehner Jr,
The structure allows for the team to end up on the hook for very little past next season and essentially whittling down to a two-year, $25 million contract before it plays out as a year to year deal.

Dalton deal shows Bengals trust him
Coley Harvey,
With the decade of disappointment, the 1990s, still as much a part of the fabric of this city as its famous chili, there are reasons the Bengals would want to protect themselves in case Dalton does struggle, something he has done at times during his career. 

ESPN: Dalton's numbers tell two stories

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